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Revolution Rising
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:35:00 -
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Look the current state of t2 moon goo is a yoke on EVERYONE. Ring mining or whatever will increase the supply of t2 goods to people who otherwise can't afford things like jump freighters.
If they moved ring mining (or some other mechanic) into 0.0, it means the mineral transport back to empire could add that transport cost to the price, but I don't see how it'd end up any different to the ABC ores today. Megacyte/Zydrine are used in empire constantly (almost exclusively).
I don't see the issue?
Perhaps ring mining isn't what you're talking about OP?
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Revolution Rising
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:45:00 -
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I think people are failing to realise that the zealots they are talking about are almost exclusively in goons and they again almost exclusively hold all the tech.
You're already being wiped out just dont realise it - change is good.
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Revolution Rising
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:26:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:Look the current state of t2 moon goo is a yoke on EVERYONE. Ring mining or whatever will increase the supply of t2 goods to people who otherwise can't afford things like jump freighters.
If they moved ring mining (or some other mechanic) into 0.0, it means the mineral transport back to empire could add that transport cost to the price, but I don't see how it'd end up any different to the ABC ores today. Megacyte/Zydrine are used in empire constantly (almost exclusively).
I don't see the issue?
Perhaps ring mining isn't what you're talking about OP? No, I am not talking about ring mining. I am talking about the destruction of the R&D agent giving datacores, the increased transaction taxes in high sec, and the whispers (nothing confirmed but I am betting on it) of T2 mfg being banned from high sec. I also am not smart enough to know if the changes to war dec'ing are going to be good or bad for high sec industrial corps. As for ring mining, I look at it this way: the valuable stuff will still reside in null sec. Indeed, enterprising and brave people will now be able to ninja the stuff out. But overall, I just look at this as a redistribution of the wealth in null sec, not as an improvement in high sec profitability.
Yeah agreed about the ring mining, but at least it will bring prices of things like tech down. Something like 50-80% of the jump freighter price is JUST technetium. Think about that.
Whispers are hard to comment on. I think "banning" any kind of gameplay is bad (sandbox!) without some reason behind it.
CCP continue to screw the pooch regarding R&D agents, pretty much everything they have ever done with these guys has been "bad" t2 bpo's and now getting rid of datacores - personally I just got my research agent management skill up and got a few more. It's not even a lot of income, i want to use them for t2 production myself, and really now they are telling me it's just a waste.
I fail to see how wasting my time/money/isk is not the same as removing t2 bpo's and wasting someone else's time/money/isk. Anyhow, that is as it is. (Can probably tell by my attitude that I don't have a lot of faith when it comes to this particular subject).
Like I've said many times in many threads, mail the CSM members. People like trebor, seleene, two step and hans are pretty open to discussion regarding these things. I too agree CCP needs to have a hard look at industry.
I'd further ask you guys to ask for an industrial expansion. Not just implement change X. The reason is that one thing effects another. The whole system of production needs to be looked at in my opinion, and not just the clickfest, but the actual POS fuel costs, POS refining, low-sec mining, all these things don't hang together well at present.
They keep introducing changes as if that change won't effect some far flung mechanic that will break someone's ability to run production at all. It needs a hard look.
I'm not saying it'd be an easy job either - the main reason I think CCP would dig in their heels about doing it.
For instance raising taxes - I think will break the backs of some producers - on top of the pos fuel hike over the past couple of years (it has more than doubled) t2 goods are becoming volatile, the market stability really does effect peoples' ability to run these systems.
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Revolution Rising
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:39:00 -
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Sorry I thought about this a little more, I'd wait for the "ring mining" (or whatever mechanic they end up with).
Reason: A lot of the current t2 producers could well start producing ships once the monopolies on t2 minerals is gone.
If say 20% of the guys producing modules change to ships, then I think the price/profit on modules would rise due to the decrease in competition. It might even be well over 20%.
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Posted - 2012.04.03 04:09:00 -
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Comdrr Shepard wrote:stinks, i cant say i like much about the future of eve at this point to be honest. ppl keep giving me new announcements about future updates and I get more and more discouraged.
I cannot believe they are more worried about this than fixing the actual clickfest of t2 manufacturing.
So much needs to be fixed, and this is their worry.
What the f*** CCP ?
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